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Wednesday July 20, 2005 at 08:50 am

Ethical Standards: Part One
The hypocrisy of parents:
“Do as I say, not as I do — unless it benefits me.”

Society tells us that good parents will teach their
kids to be honest and good people. So, that’s what parents teach
to their kids — at least when it benefits them. For
example, a kid who steals from the proverbial cookie jar will get
punished for stealing, and even more if he lies about it.

Sounds pretty good, doesn’t it? Ethical, idealistic, and promising.

How come then, is it the parent that is teaching the same child to lie, steal, and cheat?

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Alright, I shouldn’t generalize… But honestly, who here has never
lied, cheated or stolen anything in their life? I’m willing to
bet among those that arent lying that most that read this can think of
one instance where they’ve done one of these things.

I know I have.

Now, I know there are other factors that teach people to do
these unethical things — such as, say, the media, or your peers.
However, in my case, the people from whom I learned to actually justify such
actions were definitely my parents.

Afterall, my parents aren’t thieves, they weren’t bad people (and neither am I, I don’t think)… But
even they are human. As a child I caught them in white lies, I saw them grab
grapes and candies in the grocery store and munch on them when no one
was looking.

It made me think, hey, why can’t I do that? And so I
did. And I do. Even though I know it’s wrong, in my mind
it’s justified because I saw my parents doing it as a child.

As I grew up, I saw more. I caught more mistakes, lapses in judgement. My parents, my teachers, people who
were supposed to be my role models, the things I thought were wrong,
I understood them more. And though I thought they were
wrong, I began to justify them more.

When my parents got divorced and my mom began to drink heavily…

I thought… My mom, she drinks because my dad is bad, and he cheated on her. It’s okay, because drinking eases her pain. Even if
she drinks the entire bottle of cognac a day.

So when I began college, and symptoms of bi-polar disorder started in me..

I thought… There is so much pain…
It’s not that bad to drown it and suppress it with alcohol and
drugs. That’s what one is supposed to do.

And so I did. Even though the logical part of me knew it was
wrong, I was still able to justify it without feeling much guilt
because I had seen my mom doing it. Even though, if my mom ever
knew, I knew she would kill me for doing such ‘bad’ things.

But what would she be able to say, really, if I replied “I do this because I learned it from you” ?
——–

I guess the cliche moral of the story is that actions do speak louder
than words, and that kids are a lot more observant and susceptable to
learning your weaknesses than you think.

But… The real message I want to get out, the real question I want to ask is this:

Who taught you your ethical standards?… and who taught you to break them?

misstease said,

July 20, 2005 @ 8:56 am

finally ur updating again! there is a lack of things which enteratain me on xanga. halllejuuuaaaahhh for shi!

luvlyangel_06 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 8:56 am

Good entry. My eithical standars were taught by my parents for the most part but broken up by me mainly. I knew rules growing up but sometimes I choose to break them.
Kiera

misstease said,

July 20, 2005 @ 8:57 am

 i think my ethics are a mixture of my dad and mom’s

SecksyRx3 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:05 am

my standards come from my sister, and they were broken by our parents. interesting eh? i love this post.

thathrilainmanila said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:09 am

i’m gonna read into this later. just look out for my comment. =P

aNiMeMaN14 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:13 am

i don’t break ethical standards.. i’m a good boy.

Princess_Lovely78 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:19 am

this reminds me of the time when my son wanted to throw some trash away so he rolled down the window and proceeded to throw it out (we’re in a moving car.. i’m driving).  i asked him what he was doing and he said “throwing the trash away.  i said he can’t through it out on the streets like that b/c it was littering and his reply:  “but mommy, i saw you do it”.  so yes, kids most definitely learn their behaviors from parents and action is so much louder than words.

Acekiller said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:23 am

you don’t need to be taught to break rules.  Rules are set based on bad things that ppl like to do; but if ppl like to do them, rules will be break sooner or later.

capitan911 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:30 am

i think you’re right about the ethical things being taught by your parents.  even now its kinda like that although now me and my sister hate white lies.  *shrug*

davidngo said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:33 am

the fact remains, that the majority of people in this world do not have a rational code of morality or ethics.  And so parents, or non-parents all have the disability of having a confused collection of mixed philosophy and morality. 
People in general are taught these cliche sayings of what is good or bad…but never told WHY.  never given rational reasons as to the benefit of living a moral life.  We are just told this is good..and this is bad…because it is said so.  This is blind faith and since children are curious enough to ask “why?” …when they are presented with no rational answer…they become lost.  they grow up simply living in the moment and testing out their morals through destructive behavior.  In the end, we are left with a lost generation with no discernible moral code ….who will pass on this confusion to their children.
I honestly did not have a definitive moral code till recently.  I personally started to learn more about a rational/logic-based philosophy called Objectivism.  Suffice to say, I had to obtain this morality through my own efforts and reading.  I believe due to the rarity of such people versed in philosophy, it take a pro-active mind to find the truth and to develop a real code of morals and ethics.

Tinatamad2001 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:40 am

I think it was peers who taught me to break the standards.. But parents are usually the one who teaches ethical standards..

Kevin72 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:44 am

Kids are NOT ‘busy’. They are spending most of their time observing and learning from watching adults. As I think back to high school, I remember not just listening for information, but simultaneously judging the teacher, imagining their life beyond what was being said at the moment.

yerbabygirl said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:48 am

Oscar Wilde said this in hisonly novel, The Picture Of Dorian Grey:
Children begin by loving their parents; as they grow older they judge them; sometimes they forgive them.
hopefully we’ll (as in you and i and whoever else is left in a rut like us) be able to to the very last thing.

dvlishhangel said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:49 am

everything that you have written in here is true…
my parents, the Bible, and my observances and experience in my life and through others have taught me my morals
i would like to point something out…
 it is incredibly naive of us to think that our parents and the people that we look up to as role models are perfect…after all…they’re humans as well….although i must admit that it is disappointing once we realize that they make mistakes too…and as we grow up it seems that the mistakes occur more often….
parents are there to teach and guide to us…
its ultimately up to us whether or not we learn the lessons they teach us and apply it to our daily lives
after all….we are our own person….with our own personality, experiences, thoughts, feelings, and etc…
that is what i believe in

Kevin72 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 9:51 am

The original question: of course I got moral education from my parents, with additional reinforcement from Sunday school. With all the glorification of single-parent families these days, kids are getting half the moral education that they should, so they have half the strength to resist evil and temptation when it comes.

ScorpionByBirth said,

July 20, 2005 @ 10:01 am

Growing up with my grandparents I would say that they were both a great teachers of ethical standards.  I listened  learned and followed every rule set upon me during  my growing years.  When I became adult and this is a real shame cause I break them and get away with it without feeling guilty.
Now being a mother myself, I tried my best to set an example to my 14 year old and at times when I break my own rules I give her reasons why.  She knows very well that I am not perfect in any ways and that I am also learning while I’m raising her.  I am only hoping that the positive things I teach her will stay with her and that I am making a good impact on her.  Whether she continue with the good ethical behaviour or the opposite will be entirely up to her.  I can only hope for the best for my little girl.

MrDurden said,

July 20, 2005 @ 10:29 am

parents + the bible + every other parent at church…

franksabunch said,

July 20, 2005 @ 10:31 am

Hmmm….the same as MrDurden.  Who taught me to break them?  I dunno, but the downward spiral started when I stole that candy bar in the 1st grade!

elecengr123 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 10:58 am

Parents/Family taught me… Navy “showed” me what to “bend” and what is important enough to stick by…

cantBfaded said,

July 20, 2005 @ 11:00 am

society. and society.

davidngo said,

July 20, 2005 @ 11:36 am

hahha…funny that everyone gathers their morals from God, society, or whatever their momentary whims may be. 
– if god came down tomorrow and said killing others is good…would you follow?
– if society all of sudden deemed it good to kill all jews…would you follow?
– if we all simply decided to do what felt good at the time…would you follow?
True morals and values come from something inane in us all….from rational thought.  Any other source will lead to destructive and unstable behavior.

ethician said,

July 20, 2005 @ 12:42 pm

“ethician”My standards were hand-selected by me and have yet to be broken. No, I lie. I’m just as unscrupulous as the next guy. I do live in America afterall…

CaKaLusa said,

July 20, 2005 @ 1:10 pm

TV did me good

hjyou said,

July 20, 2005 @ 1:33 pm

spelling: hYpocricy

Ssweet_dreemzZ said,

July 20, 2005 @ 1:33 pm

Nice post.
The only lies I caught my parents in were small ones that didn’t really affect me. =P

hjyou said,

July 20, 2005 @ 1:34 pm

I’m such a dope: hYopcriSy

a_newtomorrow said,

July 20, 2005 @ 1:55 pm

really enjoyed your post gj

dyZ said,

July 20, 2005 @ 2:13 pm

god and family kept me good, youthful angst and rebellion kept me bad

dhdh49 said,

July 20, 2005 @ 2:56 pm

are you still living in irvine? i have 2 more quarters before i’m done.
i learned my ethic from my family (parents, bro, grandparents, aunts, uncles), teachers, and media. i never break ‘em, i just bend ‘em and justify what i do with my existing ethics. ionno, i think i make up new things as i go along in life.

YellowChildPride said,

July 20, 2005 @ 4:34 pm

From a soical interactionist prespective… the society taught me my ethical standard… and society also taught me to break it! =)

minho said,

July 20, 2005 @ 5:02 pm

let’s see more pic of ur ass please

StoopidSavant said,

July 20, 2005 @ 7:32 pm

Actually, davidngo, I think that if we grew up our entire lives in a society that condoned the killing of Jews (to use your example), we would do it, and find it an “ethical” practice. I assume you’re alluding to 1940’s Germany, in which many Germans found it just perfectly dandy to mow down any unsuspecting Jews. Get a group of people large enough to believe in the same thing and anything is possible (and “moral”). But if we got our morality from god…well, I think we’d all be screwed.
I do, however also agree that on a fundamental level we have an innate “morality” but I believe it to be inherent to our evolutionary quality of altruism, which in the old jungles and deserts of yore, yielded benefits for all.

shortfused said,

July 20, 2005 @ 8:04 pm

my parents

loldavelol said,

July 20, 2005 @ 10:14 pm

after being a teacher the last 7+ years i can tell you how observant and sensitive kids are.  they absorb everything around them like a sponge.  when i’m around 5-11 yr olds i’m on my best behavior because i know they’d emulate me.  when i’m around teens i get to cuss and be myself because their values are pretty much set.
so anyway to answer your quesiton: i got my ethics (whether i wanted to or not) from my parents and elementary school teachers.  i broke away from them in high school because of my peers and the media (mtv was the biggest culprit).

ryerye_zanguh said,

July 21, 2005 @ 2:46 am

who says that lying/stealing/cheating were unethical? who is to say that justification of such things are unethical? i think i better question is, who told you to accept your given ethical standards? who told you you couldn’t rethink them? — but that’s being deconstructive…what i do know is that breaking your ethical standards is as unethical as you can get

LovelyxOne said,

July 21, 2005 @ 4:12 am

Loved your post . . . and it’s a great question.My moral role models were my father, and what I learned from TV. I guess that’s where I learned to learned to break the ethical rules too.

damanfodagurls said,

July 21, 2005 @ 5:24 am

*props*
damn thats deep… you should write a book or sumthin’

rubberduckiesandcheese said,

July 21, 2005 @ 5:39 am

my parents are never really there, but for the most part i got a lot from my cousins. otherwise i’m on my own..pot is not the way to go. take it from experience.

Misworld said,

July 21, 2005 @ 7:10 am

I learned my morals from my dad.  My mom would always do something bad and would say “do as i say not as i do”  Then shed change it to “do as i do not as i say”

deathisontheway said,

July 21, 2005 @ 9:25 am

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Lionsgrrr1 said,

July 21, 2005 @ 10:18 am

“They’re just taller children that’s all….after all” David Bowie
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neuroticcowgirl said,

July 21, 2005 @ 12:01 pm

I grew up mistrusting my parents and the crazy life they lived, and I sought to grow up completely different than they did. Their actions did speak louder than words, but I tended to do the opposite of their actions because they felt so wrong to me. As for good influences, my friends, my teachers at school and my grandparents really were the big influences.

imajanegster said,

July 21, 2005 @ 12:09 pm

wow, ur sucha deep person. i never even thought about those things.

Magnificent_Night said,

July 21, 2005 @ 1:01 pm

You know when you do something wrong; likewise, parents know when they do something wrong. I think the lesson they try to teach you is just to KNOW what’s wrong, so when you do it, you’re at least aware it was wrong and you can make the decision whether to do it or not and look at the consequences.
Props, though, good entry.

hardasanut said,

July 21, 2005 @ 3:49 pm

I’m pretty sure I’m the one who corrupted myself. Not too hard though, since my mother is pretty uptight and possibly self-righteous, so I’d get whacked around for being a curious kid, forging signatures for food tickets before I learned it was wrong, wandering into neighbors’ unlocked apartments while they were out to play their nintendo famicom, and other stuff, which actually didn’t keep me from stopping, just got me better at hiding it. Still, I wonder if I would have been better off warned before whacked, b/c now I’m just paranoid around my mother, some classical conditioning thing. I also went through a short phase where my response to rulebreaking was corporal punishment/pain, but then I realized I was just perpetuating what I thought was a bad way to raise kids even if you otherwise set proper examples.

ragingbutterfli said,

July 21, 2005 @ 7:11 pm

it’s amazing when people have brains the amazing things that arise

Lionsgrrr1 said,

July 25, 2005 @ 3:29 am

You so cra-zy!

ScarfaceMermaidWatcher said,

July 27, 2005 @ 4:52 pm

My mom taught me ethical standards. My dad taught me to break them. But now I’ve relearned them.

kyasha said,

July 28, 2005 @ 7:00 am

i think there comes a point when you decide that you need to think for yourself. you don’t need to follow anyone’s lead.. you make your own path. your parents may not make the choices you do, you may not make the choices your parents do, but you’ll turn out ok. it’s not about following others.. it’s about doing what makes YOU happy and is best for YOU

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