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Wednesday September 13, 2006 at 11:02 am

Religion.
Yes, even I think of things like that.

So, I’ve had a gripe about religion lately:

I
REALLY like the idea of belonging to a church or a temple or some place
of worship because I think it’d be really nice to have a place to go
weekly that not only does stuff for the community [a requirement of
mine if I did join], but also gives one a gentle reminder of the morals
and values we tend to forget in our day to day — add in the feeling of
belonging to a close-knit group… and it seems like a really ideal
situation.

With maybe the exception of the consistent ‘reminder
of morals and values’, my group in college [Circle K] really fulfilled
that for me. However, now that I’ve grown out of the group and the
people that I joined with are now gone off to their own post-college
things, I find myself searching for something to fill that space… and
with something that will last more than four years.

Sure I
could join the Kiwanis, Red Cross or some other non-profit
organization, but lately I think I’ve been feeling the need for some
spiritual fulfillment as well.

The only problem is: I can’t bring myself believe in God

Not
God, not a god, not any god. I’m not denying that the existence of God
or any of the gods in this world are possible. It might be. I just
can’t bring myself to believe in any religion in a way that one would
call it my ‘Faith’.

So I guess it’s better to say that instead of not believing in God, that I have no Faith.


Why I don’t pray to Buddha [even though I’m Buddhist]

Born
and raised Buddhist, I like to think that I try my best to follow the
rules of my raised religion. However, ever since I was a child, I
always had problems with the ‘praying’ part. Who am I praying to?

Taught
that Buddha was a normal man that reached Nirvana [the mental/spiritual
place where there is nothing and everything and there are no wants and
no needs], I always had trouble grasping the reason for which we prayed
to him every week.

Afterall, if he’s in Nirvana, why would he hear us and heed us at all? Same with all of the other Buddhist dieties

In the end, I believe in Buddha’s teachings… But not Buddhist religion as it’s developed into right now.


Why I can’t have Faith in a God

As
for an all-knowing, all-seeing God, I have a lot of issues with the
idea that an all-seeing all-knowing sentient being that I can’t see can
have an effect on my life.

It’s wholly possible that one exists, but I just can’t really envision it.


So that leaves me with this question…

Where in the world can one go to find a nice group of people that are willing to:

  • Do things for the community
  • Have
    weekly sessions and discussions on morality, the virtues of such
    morality, and assessment of values [also why these are important in
    daily life]…
  • Without involving any praying, chanting,
    kowtowing, singing, Jesus, any Dieties [including Buddha], the word
    ‘amen’, and the need for everyone to have [at least some] Faith?

Any suggestions?


Munny
To
those of you who skipped the whole entry and went down to the bottom of
the post hoping to find something interesting… I recently completed
painting a Munny [and made her some friends too!] Let me know what you
think and whether or not I should post pictures of how this Munny came
about.

ashzero said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:06 am

arguing about religion..it’s the worst thing -_-;

dehzep said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:08 am

#2

cloudedfuture said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:09 am

I think I lack faith too, but then I subscribe more of a deist/agnostic, so that might be why. I feel that a higher being may have created the earth and it’s inhabitants and then left us to our own devices. Looking over and laughing at us. Perhaps the earth is just one giant cosmic joke. I just read back on what I wrote, and I realized that it’s pretty cynical.

radjbo said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:09 am

i’d like to see the munny!

dehzep said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:13 am

yes, a how-to would be more interesting than talking about religion

franksabunch said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:18 am

The freemasons!  Although they’re prob some sort of secret cult.

Benjermanifestdestiny said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:37 am

Faith is ignorance, giving up the need to know by simply saying “beyond me” and calling it faith.Lazy lazy lazy.However prayer and chanting is important.Did you even chant with the Krishnas? They chant rounds and dance.As I’m sure you know, with or without drugs, dancing in a frenzy for longer that 30 min causes seratonin to drop and euphoria.Dance with devotees for a day and see how it feels.So prayer is your consciousness to something BEYOND.You can know Kim, that you are not god. You don’t have to know any more than that.God? I don’t know. Beyond or something, I AM, no point in thinking, god is not a consciousness, god does not think, or listen, or CARE.If I met Jesus and we had sex, I’m sure I would be top, and it would be quite a hot flick. I wondered how me, him and Mary Magdeline would look sweating.That’s HOT ala Paris. And I’m sooo spiritual!

vanessaO_o said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:39 am

i guess the closest would be to volunteer for a non-profit organization?
or maybe volunteer to be a big sister?

VortexInfinitum said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:41 am

mmm i won’t say that i lack faith. i respect all religions, but in the end i believe that religion is a man made. but i DO believe in a higher power, and i call this power “god” for lack of terms. it’s just not the same “god” that most other religious people would like to associate with. as for joining some sort of community, i wanted to do that by going to church too, but then i saw how a bunch of people only went because of friends, and that’s disregard for their religion, which i don’t think is right. morals-wise, i like to follow my own set of rules, but i’m a nice kid ^^. as for praying, i never believed in the idea that long words of praise were any better than a simple, truly meaningful “thank you”. amen. ciao.

racheek said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:41 am

munny! ive never known anyone to actually buy one, heres so expensiiive. good job on it! :)
i dont know, i think religion needs prayer, or something along those lines, what the point of having a self guided religion?

THEMEformurder said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:47 am

you can still attend church if you don’t have faith,that’s the beauty of part of it.most of the time the people i know eventually recieve faith, from prayer, or wishing they could have it, or just a moment of realization.
if you’re open-minded enough, faith could come to you.but like so many other people- if you don’t want faith, you won’t get it.
does that make sense?(hope so).
and the munny is fab. i like it quite a lot… hmm. look at those teeth.

CaKaLusa said,

September 13, 2006 @ 12:05 pm

the truth is out there, scully.

timbospoo said,

September 13, 2006 @ 12:06 pm

scientology LAWLStimbo!

Metro said,

September 13, 2006 @ 12:19 pm

If I may be so bold to quote “She’s the One”-“Why you so upset dad, you don’t even believe in God?!”—“Never stopped me from being a good Catholic.”

Trinity86 said,

September 13, 2006 @ 12:44 pm

it’s so cute!

davidngo said,

September 13, 2006 @ 2:15 pm

i WOULD suggest objectivism. Because it supplies morality and values, without the believe in GOD. But us objectivists don’t really do anything for the community directly. We are rugged individualists and don’t really have “gatherings”.

johnchen3 said,

September 13, 2006 @ 2:30 pm

religion is bull…they are created so the person(s) on top can keep control of whoever is willing enough to believe them.
i dont want to single any of them out but some are worse than others.

mrchinese said,

September 13, 2006 @ 2:39 pm

COOL DUNNY!

TenThousandPoetWarriors said,

September 13, 2006 @ 2:45 pm

what you’re asking for is a little hard to findmost organizations/gatherings the do stuff for the community are centered on purpose that ultimately is related back to something spiritual.i’ll be leading a weekly discussion group about movies and their meaning and we’ll be touching on topics like evil and ethics. it would be great if you could come. but it will be held at my church. we do stuff for the community…we help out at the union rescue mission periodically as well as participate with our church’s homeless ministry. but again it’s part of exercising our faith and belief that the image of God is imprinted on all and therefore we treat people with dignity. i’m sorry that so many people who profess to have faith act like they do not as several others have commented. it makes me sad.

eklipse126 said,

September 13, 2006 @ 2:45 pm

looks like a wanna be toad

BelieveInAngyls said,

September 13, 2006 @ 2:57 pm

I tried to go to all those different religious places, not to worship the gods and stuff but to see their point of view. Worshipping a god, to me, is something like finding a scapegoat. Ultimately everything will turn back to God and you don’t have to take any blame or anything. But isn’t that kind of boring?Places that deal with morals deal with a God. Unless of course you’re joining Kim-ism. The ultimate religion that deals with morals without a god. 8D

SquallR said,

September 13, 2006 @ 3:20 pm

I’d like to say that Faith isn’t giving up the need to know.  I have Faith and yet continue to question.  I have Faith and continue to research.  Giving up the need to know is laziness.  Faith is knowing that some things cannot be explained.  After all, no human can say they have no faith.
You have faith in friends, don’t you?  That’s not laziness.  That’s a relationship.  Essentially, it’s the same, just religion applies that to someone/something you haven’t met face to face.
Anyways, there are some coffee houses that have morality discussions.  There you could meet people and form a group centered around your needs.  Maybe you could have that with the friends you already have.  I think, and I could be wrong, that Unitarian Universalist churches are very open.  I can’t say for sure, I’ve never been to one.  It might be hard to find, but I’m sure it’s there.

Guess that’s not really helpful.  *shrug*

aydongbeeleef said,

September 13, 2006 @ 3:20 pm

seriously.. you need jesus…

SquallR said,

September 13, 2006 @ 3:23 pm

I suppose I should clarify something in my last post.  I put “Faith is knowing that some things cannot be explained”.  I should have said at the end of that, “but trusting in the reason/object/purpose/whatever it is backing the circumstance anyways.”
Here’s a question for you to think on.  Does faith happen before you can rationalize situations, or can you reason through something before you have faith in it?  The question boils down to “Does faith come before reason, or does reason come before faith?”

NoBackstreetboys said,

September 13, 2006 @ 4:04 pm

You can pray to me.

Ignito said,

September 13, 2006 @ 4:45 pm

Not believing in God(s) does not mean you have no faith. At one time or another everyone goes through some self realization when it comes to believing things bigger than themselves. Some want to have things explained and feel comfortable when they are regardless if they are true or something made up. Others feel the need to belong to a group and to have similar beliefs for lack of fitting in or being considered different. Still others have to steer their moralities and values in a direction they feel comfortable with. This is common psychology. Whatever you decide, just be sure it is something that will help you be you, to have faith in yourself and to help you believe in your abilities.

Sup007 said,

September 13, 2006 @ 5:34 pm

Once you find a good place let me know.  Definitely not something that is out there normally for people to find.
P.S.  Damn, the Munny is cool.  I wonder if I got one what it’d look like…..

Ssweet_dreemzZ said,

September 13, 2006 @ 5:51 pm

I agree with you about religion being nice, but not being able to believe in God. It’s the same for me, too.

bjtdevera said,

September 13, 2006 @ 6:12 pm

Maybe in time.

Owl8ird said,

September 13, 2006 @ 7:36 pm

im a bit in your shoes, but i get involved with some local asian pacific american groups for community involvement and morals without the preaching.believing in god does not equal having morals. not believing in god does not equal no morals.

Kevin72 said,

September 13, 2006 @ 8:42 pm

It’s all about communing with the spiritual universe, and if you are doing that you are probably more in touch with God than the Religionists are.

Kevin72 said,

September 13, 2006 @ 8:47 pm

Actually, any of the ’12 step’ groups come close to the question you ask at the end.

Lemon451 said,

September 13, 2006 @ 10:02 pm

I just primed my Munny and it’s damn sexy!

geterright said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:05 pm

Imagine this. God is real. If that is true, you can’t mold him. You can’t put him in a box. You can’t tell him how he works. You just have to seek him. Those who seek will find.

kphehe said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:23 pm

Well I’d suggest that you can just go to a church and do the stuff that you mentioned like helping others out.  If you ever come by Vegas for a weekend, I can show you to a church =)

OkayChaSiuBao said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:31 pm

religion bleh… on to the more important matter… what is a munny? (yes i know i can google it probably but…. i wont) =) hi kim! hehe

JediNg said,

September 13, 2006 @ 11:51 pm

You can’t argue against religion – the answer to everything for them always sounds something on the lines of, because God said so.
Girl scouts? haha

vampuke said,

September 14, 2006 @ 1:58 am

surely you have to believe in something tangible… heh

SiNgLe_ChIcKa_4_u said,

September 14, 2006 @ 3:12 am

i hate it hahahahahahahha

thefail said,

September 14, 2006 @ 4:31 am

I think its perfectly fine that you have no faith in god, or anyone whatsoever. Follow your own dreams and your own paths. I followed mine throughout, and ignored everyone on the way. I am now a satanist, i feel more free; and guiltless. I feel pitiless, and it doesnt even make you even. Satanist isnt about worshipping the devil 24/7. You dont have to pray all the time, and you can do whatever as you please. I followed my path to that, and you can follow to any path that you feel neccesary. You can stay an athiest, or move on. Either way, you will always feel good. =].You can go to church to feel better, its fine with anyone. Some not, but who really gives a damn about what they say? God might be some sort of alien who probes your brain for all we know. We dont know anything about god, and his whereabouts. Everyone says he is everythere, then why dont he just relax. And everyone else follow his mood of character. So, be yourself =]. i am, and i am legally insane. Joking. good day =]- Angelena

alanism said,

September 14, 2006 @ 6:31 am

1. there’s plenty of volunteer and non-profit groups that you can help2. Go to a JC and take philosophy 101 or just read Kant, Aristotle, Plato and Robert Green’s 48 Laws of Power

aradne said,

September 14, 2006 @ 8:34 am

Okay, yeah, so the community aspect of a religion is cool. But it’s not the focus. I think that the reason groups like these form is because they all have faith and believe the same teachings. Maybe that’s why all these groups are religious ones?

mamamiya said,

September 14, 2006 @ 8:52 am

I read your entries a lot but i hardly ever comment. It’s kind of funny because when crap happened to you, sometimes i went through some of the same crap… like your X situation, but your entry actually encouraged me knowing that I wasn’t the only girl going through crap like that. All I have to say is that you should try different things to see what makes sense for you. I am a Christian, but I don’t push my beliefs on people. I think people should find things out for themselves. My sister is leaning towards buddhism and honestly, yeah i wish she would become a Christian, but once again it comes down to her, I can only be there for her. If you want to know more i’m always open for questions (i.e. if there is a God then why is the suffering etc.) Take care! 

mamamiya said,

September 14, 2006 @ 8:54 am

One more thing. There’s a beach clean up this Sat. in Huntington Beach if you’re interested. Work, fun, chill, etc. :-)

crystalt728 said,

September 14, 2006 @ 9:31 am

Sorry can’t help ya on that one. I’m kinda in the same boat.

JonasApproved said,

September 14, 2006 @ 10:23 am

find a church with people of the same interests as you – probably a youth-based service? you don’t have to be a christian to go to church. i was in a college fellowship and some of the people in it weren’t christians but were in it to have fun, but if they should happen to find god along the way, then that’s even better.

BlueBoy78 said,

September 14, 2006 @ 11:02 am

Habitat for Humanity?
Why not serve at those food kitchens once or twice a week.  There are a lot in the Santa Anna area.  I bet some of the people working there can send you into the right direction.

I_zik said,

September 14, 2006 @ 11:54 am

ryc: Nice! That saves me even more labor. All I’d have to do is take it out of the box and put it on my shelf.

zeroleader said,

September 14, 2006 @ 11:58 am

i wouldn’t mind hanging out with you =)

NobleTruths said,

September 14, 2006 @ 7:56 pm

It’s simpler to ‘meditate’ rather then to pray to someone/thing that you don’t know to truely exist.  For me, its easier to follow what principles I’ve been taught and keep Buddha in mind while I ‘meditate’, for he is the strongest idol of the principles I could ever follow.
I really think that giving yourself hope by ‘praying’ to something you don’t know exists is useless.  Ah well.  People believe what they want to.  -_-”

bluelens said,

September 14, 2006 @ 11:25 pm

we feel hunger because there is food
we feel lonely because there is love
we have urge for sex because there is sex..
we feel the need to help others because we can’t live alone
now we have to ask, where did all these urges come from?
i think you DO have faith….you put your faith in every single driver that you share the road with everyday that they will drive safely without harm.  why?  because you are confident that it is safe enough….  find out for yourself if there really is God; read, research, ask…do whatever it takes to make sure if there is or is not God…because your life depends on it.  and in the end…have faith. 

Ah_Cheng said,

September 15, 2006 @ 7:44 am

i hear u….i feeel and share some of ur thoughts, and i think a lot of us do..thxs for opening up this topic, maybe it will nice to have a group of frineds who share ur view to get together on a sunday morning, and discuss these things… that will be nice…

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